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I am a long time Yamaha endorser. I love the product and have owned a dtx extreme 2 kit and currently own the multi12 and one day hopefully the acoustic kit(not sure which one yet). I did have the new alesis strike multipad for 47 days before it quit, but before it did, I was completely blown away with what this multipad can do. I had always wanted a multi12 before and was about to purchase it, when alesis came out with their product. After much research and hype from users who purchased it (they turned roland users into believers),anyway after much hype on youtube and the internet in general, I purchased one and was really pleased with what it could do....until it quit working...so then the alesis reputation came shining through of having an unreliable product.....was very disappointing as alesis had really knocked it out the park.....so I did end up purchasing the multi12 and am very happy , BUT I think this is a great opportunity for Yamaha to come up with an upgrade to the multi12 and study what alesis has come up with and add it to or tweak the multi12 so that combined with the reliability of the muiti12 with updated features will blow Roland and alesis out of the water and dominate the multipad market, while still offering a competitive price. I am sure I am not alone in saying all this..so c'mon Yamaha what are you waiting for?

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    David
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    Sunday, May 05 2019, 03:11 PM - #Permalink
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    Think you'll be talking to deaf ears unfortunately.

    One thing to say, however, is the SPDsx and Multi12 are two completely different things. The former is a sample player (sort of SP404) with pads stuck on it, the latter is a drum module (sort of DTX700) with pads stuck on it.

    The only thing the Multi12 misses for the gigging drummer is the ability to play longer samples (off a USB stick, for example, or an SD card). Even then, you can simply MIDI a TM-2 (or SP404, etc) off it to get the best of all words.
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    Well that’s what the Alesis strike multipad is. A sampler that is also a drum module with 12 times more memory than the Roland and of course the multi12. I would love to see the multi12 have the same upgraded features. Maybe falling on deaf ears but worth voicing my opinion. Maybe if enough users do the same Yamaha may consider upgrading the multi12. An already great product It’s outdated and needs to evolve for the current user market. Now is a great opportunity for Yamaha to upgrade and surpass everybody
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    Tuesday, May 07 2019, 12:26 PM - #Permalink
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    Totally agree old chap.
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    Thanks David. Let’s try to keep the thread going with as many supportive responses and even add to what YOU would like to see added or upgraded on the multi12. I believe change will only happen if more than enough voices are heard. I love the product and would love to see them come up with something newer
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    David
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    Tuesday, May 14 2019, 04:26 PM - #Permalink
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    Well, it looks like the only Yamaha person who was on here has disappeared (Jordan)..... So......
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    Michael
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    does anybody know why Yamaha has not been updating or coming out with something newer especially when Roland and especially alesis have come out with newer products every few years Yamaha definitely has the team to do it. The multi12 and actually the entire dtx line has so much potential to do more than Roland or Alesis I just don’t get it :( .....
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    Maybe Steven Fisher (Director of Yamaha Drums and Percussion) can answer your query.
    https://www.linkedin.com/in/steven-g-fisher-66401418
    His 23 years of experience with Roland could influence any plans for an upgraded multipad prob'ly without all the Multi 12's versatility.
    I agree with David that you should consider adding a TM-2/etc via Midi while waiting for Yamaha to release an improved M-12.
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    Sunday, May 19 2019, 04:31 PM - #Permalink
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    Rhys, Thank you for your response....I will try and reach out to him to try and get an answer. In the meantime, I believe it would help if Steve (if he does not already does so look at the forum as well). I enjoy the Yamaha product and would love to see them come out with newer, updated products for the DTX line. What caused me to pose the question on the forum was the new alesis multistrikepad. When I was researching which multipad to purchase, I originally was set on the multi12, but when the new alesis strikepad came out I was blown away with the features it offered. I purchased it and had it for 47 days before it stopped working. I had warranty and could have easily gotten another one as I was very happy with the product, but felt for product to be road worthy as they advertise , I didn't feel for the price point(which is a very reasonable price for the features they offer) that it lived up to the hype , but rather did live up to its reputation as not being a reliable product. I am sure there are other persons who have purchased the strikepad who are still very happy with theirs, because so far their's still works. So again it made me think of the multi12 and how good it is already and how an updated version would in my opinion blow Roland and alesis away and possibly surpass Roland as the multipad to have. I do know I am not alone in asking where has yamaha been the past years in not coming out with newer updated products for the DTX line(youtube, and other forums as well have asked this question). Anyway thanks again for your response and hopefully Steve does look at this forum and will see my question if I am unable to contact him.
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    Roland, Yamaha is doing nothing to imporve the products ( Multipads). I own both SPD SX and DTX M12 both have several bugs in its operating system. In DTX M12 there is hardware issue as well. Every 6 months your volume control will be spoiled and by mistake if little bit of pressure is comes of pad num 1,2,3, 10, 11 & 12 it will stop working. sensors will move from its postion and so either it will stop working or will have crosstalk issues.
    I have several times emailed but no reply or action is taken from they are least bother about updating. Only plus point or DTX is its 4 layers and to some extend funtion to import samples. I dont understand what is need to give HUNDREDS OF MELODIC INSTRUMENTS in percusssion pad??? Insted they should give sound of Standard, Power kits etc which they give in keyboards. Alesis is nice pad but main problem is we cannot change BPM of Loops in it.


    i am sending the problems i and other players face in YAMAHA DTX M12
    are mentioned below.
    i Use this instrument since 2011 so i know each and every thing of this instruments. By bellow points you can make you product more user friendly.
    as i guarantee sales of this product will go up.

    1) Volume Knob creates problem within 6 months.
    Volume Increases or Decreases while playing pad due to vibration.

    2) Sound Cut off when we change the patch.
    For Eg if we play a Cymbal or Chimes and Change the patch, Sound Cut offs.

    3) While working on Bank changes automatically when striking pad.
    If we want to assign a tone in bank 'C' so when we strike a that pad it automatically
    displays bank 'A' then we again have to go to menu and change to bank C.

    4) Selecting Banks is also a problem, We have to go to midi and the On the banks function and then again we have to go to voice menu and assign banks.
    ( it should be like SPD 20 of roland, there is dedicated key for selecting banks)

    5) Display is very small.

    6) Changing patch is also a problem.
    if i am on patch number 5 and i want to go to patch 13 then either i have press + 8 times or i have to +&- together but then in this case it jumps 10 patches so it will go to 15 so again we have to do -2.
    (In roland insted of jupming to 10 patches it changes patches faster which is more easy)

    7) + & - buttons and other buttons also creates problem and needs repair regularly.

    8) Internal memory is also low. its only 64 MB where as in Roland SPD SX its giant 2GB memory. So it needs to be increased.

    9) there are regular updates and new models coming in DTX series but no update in firmware, sound and new model coming out.

    10) The internal Pad Sensors are also weak if sometime little bit of pressure comes on pad, it stops working so we have to get it changed which is very costly. So times while traveling a bag is placed besides a little bit of pressure comes then pad stops working.

    11) The Body screws also becomes loose many times we need to tighten up many times.

    12) another problem is that in design after 6th pad there is a step like thing.
    So while playing many times that step comes in between and our stick falls from our hand

    13) and most important thing that in this percussion pad section Roland SPD 20 is considered as legendary, milestone and flagship model. people have used and and are using it since more that 20 years.
    The shape of that it have 4 pad on upper side and 4 pad on lower side. so the people are used to play on that design and many of prefer that design so they are ready to pay any amount for that pad.
    so i suggest to make design simlar to that. yes you give 12 pad so you can do is
    4 pads on upper part, 4 pad on lower part and 4 roll on bottom parts.

    14) Editor App is only made for iOS and not for Android, windows mobile and for PC.

    15) What is the need of GM sound in Percussion Pad? Insted you should have given other sound of Yamaha Keyboards Standard, Power etc etc Kits
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    Monday, September 30 2019, 12:55 PM - #Permalink
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    As I posted before

    They're not listening.

    They don't care.

    There's no Yamaha people here.

    :(
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    Thanasis
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    Sunday, November 03 2019, 09:30 PM - #Permalink
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    I am thinking the same as you Michael. Having in my arsenal a Sample Pad Pro with the well known problems of crosstalking, I considered for a long time buying the DTX M12 as it can be turned into a mini drum kit. My only concern is the luck of memory as for today standards, 64MB is like having an obsolete Pentium II. Wish the designers in Yamaha will listen and release something new in NAMM
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    Monday, November 04 2019, 08:43 PM - #Permalink
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    Thanasis wrote:

    I am thinking the same as you Michael. Having in my arsenal a Sample Pad Pro with the well known problems of crosstalking, I considered for a long time buying the DTX M12 as it can be turned into a mini drum kit. My only concern is the luck of memory as for today standards, 64MB is like having an obsolete Pentium II. Wish the designers in Yamaha will listen and release something new in NAMM


    It's designed for percussive samples. You'll get about 5 mins. Want more - simply MIDI a sampler off it. £100 TM-2, or a SP-404 for a bit more. Best of all worlds.
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    Michael
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    Wednesday, January 08 2020, 06:16 PM - #Permalink
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    Its been a while since I wrote the original question(8 months ago), I have been very happy with my DTX m12, I haven't had any issues with it, and have seen alesis strikepad continue to get praise for what it does. I am still hoping one day Yamaha may come up with an upgrade to the m12 even if its little tweaks. Anyway I am still hope to keep this thread going as it is on internet if anyone googles Yamaha dtx m12 vs alesis strikepad. Take care and keep the thread going.
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    Ian
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    Hey Michael, thanks for keeping this thread alive. I too really hope that an update to the M12 comes soon. I've brought it up to people at Yamaha USA but it is up to Japan to decide. Interestingly enough, despite being unchanged for more than a decade, the M12 remains one of the strongest selling DTX products - which to me is even more of a reason to revive it. And hopefully, with releases like the Alesis Strikepad, Japan might feel the pressure to keep up. In the meantime, the more posts on here, the more "evidence" there is to support releasing a new M12 sooner rather than later! We all know it has been too long.
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    Thursday, January 09 2020, 01:12 AM - #Permalink
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    Ian wrote:

    Hey Michael, thanks for keeping this thread alive. I too really hope that an update to the M12 comes soon. I've brought it up to people at Yamaha USA but it is up to Japan to decide. Interestingly enough, despite being unchanged for more than a decade, the M12 remains one of the strongest selling DTX products - which to me is even more of a reason to revive it. And hopefully, with releases like the Alesis Strikepad, Japan might feel the pressure to keep up. In the meantime, the more posts on here, the more "evidence" there is to support releasing a new M12 sooner rather than later! We all know it has been too long.


    Bit more memory and an Android app. All it needs. Not difficult to do in either case. No long-term R&D.
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      Very true. I know with Android it has always been a much more laborious process. Finally we have been seeing more Android apps so hopefully one for the M12 is being planned. But I will continue to bring all these suggestions up and update you all.
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